Wickeddream623
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Post by Wickeddream623 on Aug 18, 2017 1:06:45 GMT
This is a bunch of ideas that I want to suggest we try on the site for the tribes. I didn't post it in Staff Discussion because I'd like members to be able to see this and put their input in as well. Tell me what you think~ The Idea: All the tribes have different codes. In the clans, everyone followed a unified Warrior Code, but what if we had the tribes make their own? Since we decided that forbidden romances will be harshly punished compared to the clans, I think one way to make the tribes feel more separate is if they made their own rules. However, to keep the tribes from becoming too different from each other, I think having "The Tribe of the Stars" be where good tribe cats go when they die will keep them still somewhat together. Having the tribes be more separate and wary of each other than clan cats could be really fun and create a lot more tension and wars:) I'm sure that there will be things in the codes that would have to be very similar to each other (like peace every full moon at Four-Cliffs), but having the risk of a tribe changing that would add more plot devices. Plus, as we all know, the details could matter in making solid rules, I mean, different wording can end up meaning a whole different stance for a tribe (*cough* Animal Farm *cough*). Four-Cliffs meetings would be a LOT more hefty and dangerous too, wouldn't you say?xD Now, we would definitely have to make a system that makes sure that this runs smoothly. Leaders will have a lot more on their plate because they will have to outline whatever the tribe's code is, whether that tribe is a democracy or absolutist (ruler makes all the decisions). But this could be really fun because changes would happen so much more than in the clans. - Sub-Idea Thought #1: Some tribes could value bloodlines. If tribes can decide for themselves how things work (code), we could totally have some royal-esc leadership styles that could appear. In other words, 1st borns of Leaders could become the next leader. That means getting a mate will become a big deal so that there's another leader in line. Same for Healers. How cool would that be? If we do that though, we have to put in something to make sure whatever rper gets that position is truly right for the job. My thought is that we could do that by using the same method healer positions are chosen. People fill out an application, state why they and their cat be good or interesting, and get voted on. - Sub-Idea Thought #2: Viva la revolution. What if one of the tribes goes into a tyranny? What if a 1st born is incompetent, or horrible? What if there's a rule that says that 90% of the prey goes to the leader, the leader's kits, and the leader's mate? This could be so much fun guys.
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Post by Fallen Spooky Shadows on Aug 18, 2017 1:12:46 GMT
i agree with the first idea i have a idea for Tall Pine and ToGP but storm would need to be ok with it, this is my idea though:
After Tall Pine's group splits up and leaves him with just a few cats he retreats into his den depressed and slowly going insane, after a while he starts making harsh rules in his tribe and is on the verge of insanity after his son leaves him (future idea if someone is his son) and his tribe becomes very similar to BloodClan
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Wickeddream623
dawn friends/admin
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Hmm so I'm doing great everyone and to store Dawn Streak's dialogue color it's 9c095c
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Post by Wickeddream623 on Aug 18, 2017 1:28:01 GMT
Huh, that's an interesting idea. Though idk if the tribe would want to name themselves over someone that went bad like that thoughXD (Or maybe they overlook it for his earlier actions and for leading them to the tribes' lands in the first place, who knowsXD) Also, I think Storm and I were thinking of Dawn Streak and Tall Pine having a forbidden relationship once they separate tribes (they'd make up first, since Dawn Streak would be angry enough to leave him in the first place). But if Storm wants to do your idea Fallen, then I'd be gameXD
Oh, and Dawn Streak is having a litter. Tall Pine could possibly take it badly if one or more of his kits leave to go with Dawn Streak, it's up to Storm:)
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Storm
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Post by Storm on Aug 18, 2017 3:51:23 GMT
I don't want tall pine to be no crazy guy
I love the idea of tyranny though. As for different codes, I like the idea but let's try to keep them mostly similar. I think we could have a few sitewide plots concerning tyrannical leaders and the end of a monarchy-ruled system. I also think experimenting with different leading systems- Democracy, Monarchy, Tyranny and Oligarchy -would be amazing. However, i'd like it all to end with the original Leader-Chooses-Leader. But that doesn't have to happen for a looong way off.
I was thinking either ToRS or ToHR would start of with monarchy- perhaps the leader happens to choose their son/daughter and they're the ones that start the monarchy biz. This could work for a while. And by a while i mean a looong while. There could be revolutions, protests, the whole 9 yards really. Eventually the other tribes will start experimenting with leading systems, but then a huge battle happens and the tribes settle on Leader choosing Leader again.
THIS IS COOL
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Post by Squirrelly on Aug 18, 2017 10:54:21 GMT
Rock wouldn´t start tyranny or monarchy, since both the groups he was thrown out of before he joined the tribe were like that. (The first one he was thrown out of was monarchy, the second tyranny). However, I like this idea for another tribe to start it, and maybe whoever he choses as his successor would do it too.
I like having the idea of different codes. I have an idea for that. What if the four leaders decide to have a meeting to decide what the rules would be, and they can´t agree on all of them and onlt end up deciding on peace at four-cliffs, no forrbidden mates, and no tresspassing on other tribe territory.
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Wickeddream623
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Hmm so I'm doing great everyone and to store Dawn Streak's dialogue color it's 9c095c
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Post by Wickeddream623 on Aug 18, 2017 16:19:29 GMT
Love the idea Squirrelly, we totally gotta have all the leaders meet up and make some decisionXD Also, I agree with Storm that the tribes should eventually all move away from monarchy (kinda like how we human beings didXD) Oh man this is gonna be FUN!
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 18, 2017 21:54:43 GMT
I like all the ideas but Rising Stream wouldn't be a tyrannical ruler. Also, what happens to the current Seconds (as Muddy Flame) if one leader starts a monarchy? I mean, the Second rank wouldn't mean anymore the sucesssor of a leader, since the son/daughter would be the leader.
I can start a monarchy (since the other three leaders seem to not be interested in doing one) with Rising Stream, or maybe Muddy Flame (who is the mate of Stream) can start one once he becomes leader, so then the strongest kitten would be the successor Muddy Flame. However, that would be up to Sunlit too and I prefer to talk about it together :3.
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Wickeddream623
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Hmm so I'm doing great everyone and to store Dawn Streak's dialogue color it's 9c095c
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Post by Wickeddream623 on Aug 19, 2017 2:36:44 GMT
Okay, sounds good then. Rising Stream could be the first or only tribe to be under a monarchy. Maybe the royalty thing could only be that tribe's problem then? That could make Rising Stream special in it's own way:) Although it could be interesting if 50% or more of the tribes rule under that system. Maybe two of the tribes eventually do and form alliances more than with the others because of their similar interestsXD
Anyways, I also suggest you all take a look at the Oligarchy government type for one or more of the tribes too, it looks really interesting! It means that the leader would essentially be a banner (or count as just one say in the special group that rules) and the ruling would actually happen through a special group of cats. That could be really cool cause' the leader and second would totally feel some frustration there and have to work to gaining control constantly (like, I'm sure that organizing patrols would go to the leader and second but some specific bigger decisions such as going to war, making allies, or taking a certain stance on a tribe-wide issue would fall under the jurisdiction of the special group or special group + leader + second)
Oh man and now that I think about it, Democracies could be really fun too! Elections would have to be held and there'd be different cats vying for the tribe's votes and would have to make speeches or just do well in their duties oh goshXD There could be a primary election (all the cats that want to be elected get voted on) and then the top two could get voted on again in a secondary election. However, just like for a monarchy system, we'd have to do a voting outside of rp of who gets to roleplay the nest leader or have the rper of the leader choose the next one in order to make this Democracy system unbiased and purely roleplay.
(Oh gosh I just remembered I gotta make the map! I'm so sorry for the delay, I'll get to it asap:))
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Jay
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Post by Jay on Aug 19, 2017 2:43:07 GMT
I think that using different types of government can be an interesting way to roleplay on this site but we need the Tribes that do that kind of system. ToRS cant' be the only clan with a special way of ruling. At least that is what I think :3
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Wickeddream623
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Hmm so I'm doing great everyone and to store Dawn Streak's dialogue color it's 9c095c
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Post by Wickeddream623 on Aug 19, 2017 2:49:36 GMT
What kind of system? Do you mean that all the tribes would have to have their own special way of ruling or that they all have to follow the same "special" (since it is different from the clans) government type?
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Storm
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Post by Storm on Aug 19, 2017 5:02:00 GMT
I think each clan could choose different ruling types. For instance, powerful, ambition cats could take over the clan, getting most food/space for themselves (an Oligarchy) One could go with Monarchy One could stick with the traditional leader picks leader style, or perhaps go with Tyranny and have cats fight for leadership. One could have cats chosen by the clan rule together (Democracy)
I dunno This is exciting stuff
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Post by Squirrelly on Aug 19, 2017 11:17:53 GMT
I think Rock would start out with the traditional way of choosing, but I am planning on him going a little crazy a while in the future. (To explain why he was literally "cursed" by the star cats in the books) Maybe he could later go with oligarchy, and have a small group of cats have basically all the power.
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Wickeddream623
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Hmm so I'm doing great everyone and to store Dawn Streak's dialogue color it's 9c095c
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Post by Wickeddream623 on Aug 19, 2017 13:10:47 GMT
However, I'd like to point out the benefits of leaning away from assigning one different type of government to each tribe and instead keeping it loose. Having more than one tribe have the possibility of having the same government system would be more beneficial to the site than one type to each tribe because then tribes could go through government phases like we human beings did, which therefore means more changes and revolutions. We'd still get the benefits of trying out different government systems because change is more reoccurring, but the tribe's systems are less likely to change if we make a certain government type special to that tribe. If we don't assign roles to each tribe, that means tribes are going to go through changes in system a lot more because their government type is loosely associated to them.
Think about history, for example. For a while, monarchy was the most popular way of ruling. However, not every country followed that structure. Therefore, if we follow that realistic path of having a certain government systems have the possibility of becoming the majority (not 100%, most likely 2 out of the 4 tribes), that could allow for benefits such as: -A) Same ruling system tribes will most likely make allies with each other since they share same values & would work together to keep rebellion down (look to reason B for why). Is especially true if tribes feel pride for the way they rule and discriminate against the others against the "lesser" ways of ruling. -B)Revolutions could be organized across tribes dealing with the same ruling system issue, which means cats meeting up in secret from different tribes to plot (more dangerous) -C) The two or one tribe with a unique style of ruling (the unpopular way) could support the revolution, especially if revolution plans to implement that unique tribe's government system as the new one (again, this could be fun if tribes get prideful of their gov system and end up always wrestling to make theirs the most common one.
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